Comments on: Leaving DRW, and my take on Customer Affinity https://mikebroberts.com/2012/07/27/leaving-drw-and-my-take-on-customer-affinity/ Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:45:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Mike Roberts https://mikebroberts.com/2012/07/27/leaving-drw-and-my-take-on-customer-affinity/#comment-601 Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:12:48 +0000 http://mikebroberts.com/?p=287#comment-601 @Erik – 2 responses to this.

First of all, even ignoring society, the question of ‘first order goal’ can get murky even within one organization. The ‘business’ that the developer is creating a product for may be offering a service to another group within the firm, and that service may have very little to do with the actual ‘end goal’ business of the firm. E.g. a software group may be developing an application for the accounting group of a toy company. How much a software developer really needs to know about toys in this instance is questionable (but they do need to know something about accounting needs.)

Even in the context of working for a trading desk there’s a difference between understanding / appreciating the mechanics of trading (which is necessary for a good developer to know working on such a team), and the strategy behind the particular trade being made (which may be less necessary.)

There’s a ‘turtles all the way down’ (or up) aspect to this, which leads into your point about the value trading has on society. Making this far more general for a moment I think this is more a question of ethics / morality on the part of an individual, rather than whether they are a good developer or not (and my entry was a discussion on the latter.) Say the accounting team above was actually working for a cigarette manufacturing firm. If I was writing software at such a firm I wouldn’t need to know much about cigarette manufacturing to do an excellent job for the accounting team, but I would have a personal choice as to whether I wanted to contribute to the business overall.

DRW would argue it provides value to the market (world) through ‘liquidity provision’. I’d be happy to discuss my opinion over a beer since it’s somewhat complicated but ethics about the company’s general objectives were not a primary reason for my leaving.

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By: Erik Dörnenburg https://mikebroberts.com/2012/07/27/leaving-drw-and-my-take-on-customer-affinity/#comment-600 Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:42:54 +0000 http://mikebroberts.com/?p=287#comment-600 When stepping one frame out, looking at society, trading becomes the second-order goal. I roughly understand financial services, and I get what the first-order goal is in the case of, say, deposits/mortgages, bonds, or currency swaps. For high frequency trading and proprietary trading companies I have difficulty seeing a first-order goal, though.

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By: Ben Stopford https://mikebroberts.com/2012/07/27/leaving-drw-and-my-take-on-customer-affinity/#comment-599 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:09:51 +0000 http://mikebroberts.com/?p=287#comment-599 Interesting. I’ll be interested to see what you will do next (post your leave).

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